E36 M331-12-2-228-461 (left) and 31-12-2-228-462 (right) Regardless of which option you go with, it will be cheaper to find and buy any wheels your heart desires in 4-lugs, even filling/redrilling. Used '96+ E36 M3 control arms from your local BMW shop's scrap bin. Only a slight improvement in brakes. http://r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=132194 - External piston dust seals on performance callipers often burn off, but they can be omitted without causing any problems in most cases. 5 - Running a brake fluid recirculating valve. So, it is a no fit. I have a full machine shop and welding center at school I can use if I have to, but I'd really rather not. This is mainly about keeping the disc cool to stop it "warping" and keep the pads cooler so they can operate properly. Always ensure that your braking components are in full working order and good condition before embarking on any upgrade. I was able to come up with a more affordable solution and at the same time allow affordable strut insert replacement in the future. If you’re planning to reuse your current springs, you MUST have E36 M3 struts or, at least, strut housings. Converting to a 5-lug setup is a popular option for serious performance driving. yeah, you'll keep same factory bearing (I'd still replace them) and the extra bonus is that you'll keep axles and diff, so it's a lot less stuff to buy. Many people consider this to be the "right way" to do this swap. I spent $72 on Lemforders at Carquest (WorldPAC). You'd have to make caliper bracket adapters, though. This is probably the most dangerous form of brake problem and for the few seconds it happens the effect is as ba as a burst brake line. check out the. Cons: expensive (easy $1000) and rare to find. I'm looking at 5-lugging my car in the near future, and want to pick your brains on some options. This high spot gets VERY hot and into a changes into a different and much harder form of iron. Makes sure rotors and calipers are in good shape, if you're installing used parts. A common question regarding brake hoses is "Which kit - 4 or 6 line?" you'll need to get mz3 trailing arms, hubs, axles, and diff flanges to fit m3/mz3 rear brakes. FRONT: REAR: On one hand, you are able to run lower offset wheels, and some run offset as low as ET20 (most ET23) with stretched tires and rolled fenders. Note: The parking brake will not work anymore ! 15" - 280mm (300mm in some motorsport alloys). The things people miss are that (1) the disc returns to a mostly non-warped state as soon as you back off the brakes or take the disc off the car for inspection, and (2) machining the disc won't fix it as there is still a hard spot in the iron waiting to start the whole process again once the abrasion or use continues! You can easily spot the difference in the shape around outer ball-joint. Centrebore must be enlarged 1mm to fit E30 hub. Instruction:-Remove the 4 lug hubs-Press in the 5 lug hubs This is the amount of heat the brakes can withstand without the fluid boiling, when the fluid boils the bubbles created are easily squashed by the pressure created when the pedal is pressed, making the pedal sink straight to the floor and allying almost no pressure to the pads at all! Prices on these start at $170 for Bilstein Sports each, and that’s “STARTING AT” on eBay. 4 - Using cooling air from the brake duct to cool a brake fluid radiator. If you assume that the brake system will be used and a hard and sustained way (track-days etc) then the components ARE going to get very hot no matter what cooling you use, but there are ways to allow them to survive the temperatures and work very effectively for a sustained period. Z3 (6 Cylinder) rear hub brake options? This increases the mechanical advantage that the system gives your foot over the force applied to the back of the pads, but like all forms of increased leverage the longer the "lever" the longer the travel needed at the input end. In a perfect world, if finances allow, you'll be going this route. sweet. I originally used standard E36 spindles and brakes, but caster just does not work out. A lot of those brands mislead by using "OE" in their names. This lead to people drilling (and grooving) their discs to release this gas. Parts List: Unlike all other trailing arms, MZ3 got giant wheel bearings and M3 hubs and brakes. It's very easy to lose count and spend more money than your E30 is worth. ABS sensors wouldn't have to come out, and. 3 - Larger pistons in the calliper (and/or smaller master cylinder piston/s). A significant improvement in brakes. Parts List: However, in your absence, I will likely sit in your seat buck naked while making racecar noises as if I were maxing your E30 out on the Mulsanne Straight while allowing the perforated vinyl to soak up my butt sweat (going 200 mph does that to you). A lot of knowledge here has been compiled from dozens of swaps from many members of the E30 community, and information in section is correct. Combine "Universal Parts" list with your model application list for full parts list. The downsides are reduced brake power, reduced cooling from the smaller disc vents and reduced thermal mass. Pros:ability to run stock-offset wheels 15" and up. Gave me versatility to switch between suspensions, whenever I feel like, because swaps don't take more than 30 minutes up front. Very important to have right control arms for front caster to be correct. Pros: wide selection of wheels from street to racing applications. Dimension wise, e36m3 and e30 rotors are very similar. Bent parts are no fun to work with, not to mention, potentially dangerous. As you can see, there's a difference in height of the rotor. Upgrade pads often work by "smearing" their own pad material onto the disc rather than abrading the disc, thereby dodging the high-spot vicious cycle. Plugging in Z3(I6) hub with brakes, is quick and easy. Converting to M-Roadster/M-Coupe rear 5-lug = MONEY. This happens, because counterfeiters use mold of a forged control arm to cast theirs. - The WMS 280mm (fits 15" BBS & 16" Alpina) and 298.5mm (fits 16" Hartge & AC Schnitzer) 4-pot kits which have custom 1.25" E30-specific pistons. When doing the conversion with parts of an E36 in its most basic version the front brakes are increased from 260 mm … Do quick math and you'll see that final offset of using MZ3 rear results in ET40 final result. This can be improved in several ways: 1 - Larger discs, this in effect increases the leverage that acts on the wheel. 3 - Using cooling air from the brake duct to cool the caliper. From this point on, if you use trailing arms that are non-e30, you will have to wire up e36 ABS sensors. In a BMW E30 doing the conversion to a hub of five lugs has several advantages. Check that the calipers are in full working order (no sticking pistons, seals etc) and the brake hoses are not worn or cracked. Not all trailing arms (TAs) are created equal. Also once brake fluid HAS boiled it's resistance to boiling is actually reduced, and next time it will boil at a LOWER temperature! These TAs use small 72mm bearings (like 318ti and Z3(I4)). These TAs use standard 75mm bearing, that's used on BMW 3-series for nearly 2 decades and Porsche's. Grooved discs DO still have a place as they scrub at the face of the pads, and with many race pads they are needed to stop the pad surface "glazing". The way this works is, that it moves entire strut assembly over outer ball-joint forward. Scavenging parts from other cars can save you serious cash. Vice of Z3 hubs: you have to do a lot of rear quarter work to fit ET20/23 wheels. Notice camber plate and where shock is mounted. 01-11-2019, 07:49 AM I am looking to use the Z3 6 cylinder hub method for the 5 lug conversion in my rear as I am looking to use a high offset wheel and don't want to use a 40mm spacers, so the additional 23mm from this method is welcome. I would be interested to see how you make them fit. Published: 20 January 2014. This is a very crucial part of your suspension and you do not want to take chances. If you get a pair of e30 m3 hubs and modify dust-shield, e36m3 rear rotors fit the hub and have same center bore. On top of that, you also get to keep your ABS sensors in place, simplifying this conversion. The e30, e30M3 and non-M e36 rear handbrake drums are about 160mm. This swap/conversion is called many things: E30 4-lug to 5-lug; E30 4x100 to 5x120; E36 M3 and Z3 / 318ti swap; E30 5-lug conversion; E30 5-lug swap; E30 5-stud conversion; E30 5-stud swap; simply E30 5-lug; etc. Written by kratzer. reinforced trailing arms. C $372.17; or Best Offer; ... BMW E30 front and rear 5 lug adapter kit fits. As easy as replacing trailing arms. Something I've considered, but m3 hubs are tough to find at a good price. Unlike Z3(I6), you can use this option. Putting legends to rest with logic: Z3(I6) models are wider, than their 4-banger counterparts. There are several ways of doing this conversion: This conversion requires no imagination, as it is a bolt-on. This is a quick and easy bolt-on using nothing, but trailing arm assemblies. First would be upgrading the pads as you get some easy extra torque and fade resistance (EBC Red, Mintex M1144/1155, Ferodo DS2500 or similar pads for fast road/light trackdays or EBC Yellow/Blue or similar for more serious track use) - of course all the OEM components need to be checked over at the this stage, including the cooling ducts. This allows for much larger wheels, and therefore bigger discs and callipers to fit inside them. The Porsche guys swap them for units with a higher knee pressure. Untouched ABS system. Bonus of Z3 hubs, you can easily run many e36/e46 staggered wheels and not shy away for putting a lot of meat (tire) on them. Save $200 and keep original equipment on your car. We're going to cover only standard non-M e36/7 calipers: From "Universal Parts" chart above, you see that all non-M e36/7 rear brakes use same pads and all caliper carriers that bolt up are also the same. In the case of brakes, the added clamping force at the pad is offset by a longer travel / softer pedal. - Race pads will continue to work happily way after normal pads would have totally failed, and often get better the more abuse they get, and race brake fluid can withstand the continued high temperatures. This will upgrade the rotor size from the 258mm non-vented E30 rotors to 312mm very vented M3 rotors.

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